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Thursday! May 29 2003 // 12:04 pm //

never going to finish


the purpose of music is to sober and quiet the mind, thus making it susceptible to divine influences
Gita Sarabhai (Indian singer & tabla player)

everything in the world has its own spirit which can be released by setting it into vibration
Oskar Fischinger (film maker)

the responsibility of the artist is to imitate nature in her manner of operation
Ananda Coomaraswamy (philosopher / art historian / indologist)

our artists no longer try to put us in touch with God and the eternal, but with the infinity of our own archives
James Flint (journalist / novelist)

i’ve been working and reworking, and re-reworking a post centered around these quotations jeremy sent me. the problem is, it seems there are three voices pointing in one direction, and a fourth taking an opposing stance. this worries me, because my instinct is to choose a side. but the more i read them, i think that this opposition is exactly what i feel every time i set out to make music - or anything, really. there is always a tug toward the spiritual, and simultaneous pulling from… well, i’ve never really been sure of what it is on the other side. reason? vanity? it’s obvious to me that my scales are tipped toward the mysterious and divine, but i haven’t been able to fully articulate why - or more importantly, why not the other way. in any case, i’m going to continue retooling the post i’ve got started, and sometime soon put it up here. until then, i’d love to hear any thoughts you have. or, you could just send me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. i’m really hungry today.



josh

Thursday! May 29 2003 // 1:09 pm

It strikes me that there need not necessarily be a contradiction between Flint's quote and the others. In many ways it seems like 'the infinity of our archives' is simply another name for God. Our notions of nature, of the divine, of the spirit world are all informed and mediated by and constructed upon our archives. The sum of the rememberable world preceding is God-like enough, but Flint even tacks on 'infinity' certainly suggesting the 'eternal' he seemingly dismisses. Without context, it's hard to gauge Flint's entire intent, but i'd guess he's trying to call attention to the way history and language always participate in our collisions with the divine.

Brilliant Robert Birnbaum talks with Jonathan Safran Foer about some of these things at http://www.identitytheory.com/interviews/birnbaum108.html

As far as the tug toward the spiritual and the pulling away: for me the pulling away has always been about fear; a kind of difficult to articulate fear that i may not survive the contact with a holy space.

Or something.....

MP

Thursday! May 29 2003 // 5:51 pm

On a related note...

Jeremy in the wilds of Pennsylvania

Friday! May 30 2003 // 10:06 am

Josh beat me to it: I think Flint may be wrong. I pulled the quote orginially from this post which discusses the "digital sublime."

"The sublime is a vertiginous moment - the moment when an excess of ... pleasure leads to a kind of terror, or awe - usually interpreted as a humbling realisation of God's power."

The author suggests that we presently derive our feeling of the sublime from technology due to living in a secular culture but there is no real reason why technology cannot just be seen as an extention / facet of the multifaceted divine, yo.

sr

Friday! May 30 2003 // 10:40 am

great resources fellas. and great responses!

josh, i wonder if you can elaborate on the connections you saw in the birnbaum interview. i think i can see what you are pointing to, but i'd like to know more of what you think about it.

joshua

Friday! May 30 2003 // 12:26 pm

no direct connections between the article and this topic, but Foer's ideas of inherited information seem related. also, yesterday i forgot to mention another obvious link for the idea of God as Infinite Archivist: "Εν αρχη ην ο λόγος, και ο λόγος ην προς τον θεόν, και θεος ην ο λόγος." / "In the begining was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God"

sr

Friday! May 30 2003 // 12:43 pm

good one. i've always thought it was interesting (and made sense) to interpret 'the Word' as not just the mysteriously communicated law/way of God interpreted through human-made language. i like how you point this out as an archive of God made or 'written' by God. words themselves - all words - must be holy if God made, and God was/is, the first Word. like jeremy said, language is a facet of the multifaceted divine...um, yo.

sr

Friday! May 30 2003 // 12:46 pm

"like jeremy said, language is a..." i mean, to take what jeremy said and apply it to the idea. i guess... language as related to technology.

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